bob kerry said they would forever be hypocrites because they never called it out. both sides do this, ron, don't they? they do it equally but democrats do it better than republicans and now they are whining about the koch brothers. >> we agree it's both sides are hypocritical and it's un-american to call somebody un-american. let's talk about the real issue here. is it un-american or is it unethical, is it wrong, is it corrupting to have all of this money in politics? >> yes. >> i don't know. well, you know? i don't know. it's a subtle issue. supreme court has now said that money is free speech. it's a pretty subtle issue whether you agree or not. if this money is going to be there, i don't have a problem as much with the money as the fact it's not transparent that i don't know who is buying which elections and for what reasons. so i've started a move from the mccain/feingold campaign finance paradigm to maybe we should get to the idea, okay, if you want to be the senator of tobacco, fine. as soon as you get the check, it immediately gets posted on the internet. >>